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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 13:27:21 GMT -5
Anyone with headcanons as how they actually decided for it? I mean, we all know why and how it's for the best. What I'm fishing for is more like...
What made them cross the line from ignoring their enemies-----> becoming allies?
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Post by manderspuppy on Aug 17, 2012 13:33:00 GMT -5
I always thought it was kind of a slow progression that happened with out them even realizing it. I mean they're actually pretty friendly even in the beginning. I see them calling truce to go drinking and stuff and then one day realizing what's going on and making it official. Does that make sense? (Sorry brain doesn't want to be very eloquent right now-_-;; )
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 13:36:36 GMT -5
I like to imagine that there's.. well, truce-like but still lazy offhand tries to be enemies? Like the current banter, only a bit more ambitions with insults, at least from Crowleys side...
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Post by sepherene on Aug 17, 2012 13:39:43 GMT -5
I think it was just more efficient for them to sort of work together. Both Crowley and Aziraphale are a little self-indulgent (though Crowley is more so, and Aziraphale probably wouldn't admit it) but I suspect it was damn tiring trying to keep up with each other all the time. They probably decided that the Arrangement would benefit the both of them (not for their "sides" so to speak but for themselves). Crowley could laze about, Aziraphale could put more time into his books and they could both conveniently keep the balance of the universe together at the same time.
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 13:46:28 GMT -5
Yes, of course! But I have the feeling they would both be too proud to admit it? At least Aziraphale, I'm sure Crowley's a bit more honest with his entire... laziness.
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Post by sepherene on Aug 17, 2012 13:59:02 GMT -5
Aziraphale isn't as likely to admit his faults (yet) and he probably saw the whole arrangement initially as sort of surrender. While he's civil towards Crowley in the garden, we know even at this point in the book, that he still sees himself as the better being. Plus I imagine it isn't fun being inconveniently discorporated all the time and is probably not a very efficient means of work. It's funny how the Arrangement is suppose to mean "non-interference" with each other but those two can't help but to bother each other constantly (granted Crowley does more of the bothering).
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Post by juiceboxjumble on Aug 17, 2012 14:02:31 GMT -5
Perhaps it's simply easier for them to be friends than enemies? That way they can work with the other to really ensure both their sides are pleased, while they both enjoy the company. It must be pretty lonely, as neither seem to get on with their own 'people', so no wonder they band together.
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 14:03:12 GMT -5
Oh, I imagine it started like that, exactly. Non-interference. Then they just started bothering each other more and more(as you said, Crowley.) and it became more of a co-op thing. I like that idea very much indeed.
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 14:05:28 GMT -5
And the company, of course.
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Post by manderspuppy on Aug 17, 2012 14:06:00 GMT -5
I wonder if them being more 'friendly' for lack of a better word, started with Crowley bugging Az to go drinking with him or something like that?
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 14:07:15 GMT -5
Well, if it's between the Enemy or the likes of Hastur and Ligur, I know who'd I pick xD
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Post by sepherene on Aug 17, 2012 14:07:16 GMT -5
Exactly! lol I don't think either of them really want to talk to their own people. Crowley avoids it as often as he can, as was seen in part one where there was the reference to not going to church in a long time and not remember what to do when you go. Aziraphale probably sees his people as a bit archaic, which we see indirectly in this section when Crowley literally tempts him into agreeing to help him stop the Apocalypse by rattling off all the things Heaven doesn't have that Earth does. Aziraphale's only defense was "it's ineffable" and "but things will be better" because he literally cannot think of things that Heaven has that is actually better than the things Earth has. I find this whole bit hilariously endearing of him.
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Post by juiceboxjumble on Aug 17, 2012 14:08:28 GMT -5
Probably, perhaps it was even Aziraphale who suggested the drink, seeing as he loves his wines?
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Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 14:12:06 GMT -5
My own headcanons about Heaven plays on huge hierachy and things like that, too, so as a simple principality I'd imagine it isn't the nicest place to hang around in, especially if you're... "earth-native", in lack of better ways to express it. Too much time in the sky seems to make people a teeney bit condensing, if you ask me.
But imagine it though, not talking to your own people in so long? aaah, what if they just started looking forward to the times where their paths crossed, because even if it happened as enemies, at least they got to talk to someone interesting.
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Post by juiceboxjumble on Aug 17, 2012 14:15:16 GMT -5
I imagine really over-dramatised stand-offs just so they can spend more time with each other before they don't bother with the excuses at all because none of their higher demons/angles seem truly fussed by what they do as long as it doesn't mess with the final big plan. They also have more in common with each other, seeing as their own people don't know what they do each day, just the results of such activities.
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