Post by manderspuppy on Aug 17, 2012 14:18:19 GMT -5
Yeah I would think Az at least would find the whole being stuck on earth think kind of lonely at first... even if he grows out of touch with the other angels later... hmm... I doubt Crowley ever missed the other demons though.
Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 14:23:23 GMT -5
Well, I think it could be an isolation sort of Lonely in Crowley's case? I mean, when everyone fell, they were probably all a bit more... similar to eachother, and Crowley lingering long on earth probably evolved his personality towards the free-will direction while the ones dwelling in hell turned into the more.... lurking type of people. Not good for much other than poker if you're already in a bad mood. The longer time that passed, the more isolated he became, and I like to think of Crowley as the sociable type of person. The sort of person who doesn't like being lonely.
Maybe he had a bunch of human friends, but they all just... died.
Post by manderspuppy on Aug 17, 2012 14:34:41 GMT -5
Poor Crowley! I could totally see him trying to make friends with humans but them all dieing so quickly... and also him maybe starting to feel guilty for some of them ending up... down there, you know. Cause I think he would feel bad even if he says he's just doing his job...
Oh gosh I'm trying to think what I'd say about the arrangement. I can certainly see to keep each other company, and it also works in favor of not having to fight to death every time you run into the other. So constantly thwarting each other keeps the bosses happy and both of them in one piece. (Seeing as most angels are probably smite happy and most demons tear happy.)
Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 15:24:20 GMT -5
I like to think about like, one dramatic meeting, extra super dramatic that just ends up in them talking and agreeing on the truce! Meaning, both of them admitting how incredibly annoying it's been fighting, and that they actually can enjoy each others company.
ugh yes. and crowley would be dramatically over-pissy about it, and about basically everything, and because this is azi before he got morally a bit grey, he would actually apologize and try and make up for it and crowley would go ARE YOU TRYING TO MELT ME WITH SAP, FOR HE- HELL'S SAKE
Post by kajainthesky on Aug 17, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -5
Ahaha, I imagine Azi with the worst sense of guilt after they form the arrangement too! going around feeling guilty every time he doesn't thwart something Crowley does and overcompensating in goodness in other areas. Being all jumpy about being found out too.
I think it's a very fascinating topic to speculate about, because of the implied and non-explicit nature of what little we know about it. We know it happened roughly in... 1040, was it? Sometime in the 11th century, during the Crusades. War and bloodshed on that scale seems to be something Crowley in particular has trouble dealing with, and Aziraphale would likewise find it depressing. This suggests to me an emotional low point for both of them, during which they would have been more open to new, ahem, arrangements.
Another very important thing is that it DID take them *five thousand years* on Earth to make a semi-formal agreement like that. This, to me, suggests that it could not have simply been a smooth slope from their nearly pleasant civility during the Garden into a relationship that was expressedly not actively antagonistic. I think their time on Earth, especially bombarded for the first time by all sorts of influences from humans, combined with the feeling of isolation, would put enough strain on them that their relationship would likely stop being as civil as it was in the Garden.
By the time they reach the Arrangement, I think their antagonism has simply gone on for so long that they've long lost any personal, emotional investment in it; they fight just because it's what they do, but they don't really feel like it. By the time the Crusades and the rest of those few particularly horrific centuries roll around, the appeal of similar company would outweigh any reservations they potentially still had, or pretended to have, about fraternising with the Enemy.
For Aziraphale, another significant step would be letting go of his aspiration to the 'perfect angel' image enough to trust his own judgement in letting a demon stick around, or even 'filling in' for him.